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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jul 25, 2018 11:08    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jul 31, 2018 17:57    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Isnt there any way to add more grip to front for rwd cars ? This is so unrealistic. I have proper rwd rally car and know how it handels.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jul 31, 2018 19:17    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

sepjoo hat folgendes geschrieben:
Isnt there any way to add more grip to front for rwd cars ? This is so unrealistic. I have proper rwd rally car and know how it handels.


What is your rally car ?
Which car in NGP do you compare it to ?

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jul 31, 2018 19:18    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

basically i would try to decrease front braking power, i suspect your problem menas you are braking deep into the corner(trailbraking) which causes bigger understeering. maybe your real car has better brakes or weight balance, which influences the turning. doest it appear in all rwd cars, or in just one?

second thing: driving style. my driving styke in real is very different from rbr. in rbr i rotate wheels very fast, and keep high load on tyres all the time - when it comes to having fun in a real car (not rally car, but rather series cars) my movements and decision are much softer and slower. and peaople said, when i was pushing with the real car, i was way slower than driving it smoothly and tidy. rather just turn in gently, make sure the angle of the car goes deeply into the corner, accelerate and straighten, worked much better than brake hard, throw it like a bull, and "the more you are sweating the faster you are".
even if i am the same person on the computer and in the real car, the subconcious mind makes different choices, ragarding on the situation (maybe more/less danger, sensitivity, size of image, placebo... )

dont forget: rbr ngp has overall smaller grip levels and more understeering than in real life. i dont know where does it come, its just my feeling and also from some other players. maybe workerbee can explain smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Aug 01, 2018 18:09    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

anbarra hat folgendes geschrieben:
basically i would try to decrease front braking power, i suspect your problem menas you are braking deep into the corner(trailbraking) which causes bigger understeering. maybe your real car has better brakes or weight balance, which influences the turning. doest it appear in all rwd cars, or in just one?

second thing: driving style. my driving styke in real is very different from rbr. in rbr i rotate wheels very fast, and keep high load on tyres all the time - when it comes to having fun in a real car (not rally car, but rather series cars) my movements and decision are much softer and slower. and peaople said, when i was pushing with the real car, i was way slower than driving it smoothly and tidy. rather just turn in gently, make sure the angle of the car goes deeply into the corner, accelerate and straighten, worked much better than brake hard, throw it like a bull, and "the more you are sweating the faster you are".
even if i am the same person on the computer and in the real car, the subconcious mind makes different choices, ragarding on the situation (maybe more/less danger, sensitivity, size of image, placebo... )

dont forget: rbr ngp has overall smaller grip levels and more understeering than in real life. i dont know where does it come, its just my feeling and also from some other players. maybe workerbee can explain smile


That dont forget point is what i mean. Is there anyway to add grip ?

Workerbee im comparing e30 and e36compact with real life e30.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Aug 01, 2018 19:57    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I guess a low powered E30 ... anyway you may increase the tire pressure at the front, decrease at the rear, to change the balance.
Also maybe try softening the front rollbar. Should give a little more grip.

Remember, your real life car for sure has different tires which affect things like peak slip angle, grip levels and such stuff.
So claiming that NGP is not like the real thing is a little bit lame. wink

@anbarra
NGP should have more grip than your real life production tires.
I don't see any reason why I should lower the grip below real world figures.
Does not make sense to me.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Aug 02, 2018 18:46    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

sorry if you missunderstood i mean ngp is really good but the grip levels are just little bit annoing i cant be sure when the car turns and when not. But anyway workerbee YOU HAVE DONE SUPERIOR WORK.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Sa Aug 04, 2018 06:37    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Anyway the hints regarding the setup still apply.

For more front end grip you have to soften or remove the front rollbar, and stiffen the rear (not too much maybe).
Initial understeer at corner entry may also be caused by high differential lock settings. The diff here just wants to straighten the path of the vehicle.

To prevent understeer and make the car turn into the corner just make sure that you apply appropriate front wheels load (tap the brake, wait for the front springs to compress).

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Aug 13, 2018 05:56    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

2018-08-13
* new car
** Fiat Seicento Sporting Kit GrpA (model by DMRally74)

RBRCIT carList.ini updated.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Aug 13, 2018 14:50    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Zitat:
Isnt there any way to add more grip to front for rwd cars ? This is so unrealistic. I have proper rwd rally car and know how it handels


the base setup of released cars are made neutral. unskilled driver are able to drive the car easily, skilled driver should be able to modify the setup for the own better performance.

possible setup changes for you:

-stiften the rear (carefull), soften the front (rollbars)
-lower the differential lock for brake (you get more oversteer for braking), higher differential lock for accelation (more oversteer for accelation)
-change braking balance more to the rear

thats the points you should try, if you change carefull you shoul´nt get much sideeffects

there some more possibilitys for suspension changes, but this changes generate often bad sideeffects and mostly car specific , so you need to juggle with many setup parameters. you have to know what you're doing

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Aug 17, 2018 00:25    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Hi,
I found some discrepancy in the gear ratios of the Mazda 323 GT-X, you have it equal to:

1 48/13
2 45/16
3 42/19
4 39/22
5 36/25
6 33/28

according to the homologation document (https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/default/files/car_attachment/1486771202/homologation_form_number_5415_group_a.pdf) should be:

1 48/13
2 42/15
3 39/18
4 36/21
5 31/22
6 33/28
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Aug 17, 2018 11:03    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Thx for reporting.
We will fix this in NGP6.

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2018-08-22
* updated model Fiat Seicento Sporting Kit GrpA to v1.1 (by DMRally74), physics unchanged

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Okt 05, 2018 11:45    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

WorkerBee hat folgendes geschrieben:

We will fix this in NGP6.


Hi WorkerBee
When can we expect NGP6?
Thanks
Stefano
 
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fefobna hat folgendes geschrieben:
WorkerBee hat folgendes geschrieben:

We will fix this in NGP6.


Hi WorkerBee
When can we expect NGP6?
Thanks
Stefano


As soon as my testers are satisfied, and all cars have been updated ...
There are still some issues to solve.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Okt 30, 2018 18:48    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Hi, first of all thank you for the hard work of making rbr+ngp physics the best rally game ever! its a very good experience, the way that changing just a little bit the drving imputs changes the rhythm of attacking a stage, exactly the same as real rally driving, well done wink

There is just one thing that feels "weird", when upshifting it creates this weird longitudinal slip, like a foward movement, exactly the same as powershifting a h-pattern car. Both the upshifts feels to quick, and creates this strange slip, its very noticeable in the lower gears and speally with rwd and fwd, and is possible to see wih telemetry, and feel in the ffb.

Is it possible to adjust in the physics, the "ignition cut" and the time shifting requires ?

edit: I have the feeling that in every upshift it never cuts the power from the engine, so they are all like "powershifts"
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Nov 01, 2018 06:57    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Welcome, Paolo !

Thanks for pointing this out.
I will try to take care of this issue.

To me this has never been a problem, as I slightly lift the throttle when shifting.
But I am using H-pattern shifting anyway, which engages neutral before shifting into the actual gear. smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: So Nov 18, 2018 20:20    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Hello guys,

I have little problem with Clio Williams - its rolling too easy, for example fast section after village part on Cote d arbroz and left turn after chicane into village at begining of Hradek 1. As i remember i had this problem with DS3 R3T too.

With C2 S1600 this problem doesnt exist.

Do you have plan to add more old A7/F2000 cars? Like 306 Maxi?
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Nov 19, 2018 12:02    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Which controller type, keyboard/gamepad/wheel ?
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Nov 19, 2018 12:17    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Wheel, Logitech dfgt, 360 degress. Ill make video today about it. Physic is correct, i can join rbrcz tournaments.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Nov 19, 2018 17:50    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

dont worry all you can get told is, that the tyre grip gets higher than the !side forces" you they see you rollin biggrin
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Nov 19, 2018 18:46    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Clio Williams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv0ghx90f9o
C2 S1600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmedVyDvpT0
 
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Sherman hat folgendes geschrieben:
Clio Williams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv0ghx90f9o
C2 S1600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmedVyDvpT0


Calling your video "Clio bug" is a little bit disrespectful, don't you think ?!

You clipped the inside of the corner.
The bug sits right behind the steering wheel.

You can shorten the springs roundabout 20mm to make it a little bit less rolling friendly. wink

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Nov 20, 2018 11:38    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

ir make rebound values slower, so the inside if the car doesnt get shot up by the dampers
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Nov 20, 2018 21:03    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

and in C2 with more speed i didnt roll? Explain me this.

Sorry but if you think that roll is normal so u never watched real rallies...

Your physics are amazing except behavior like this with some cars :p
 
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