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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Jan 18, 2019 18:00    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

well but it can ruin someones rally. there are cars which have very different suspension definition between tarmac and gravel. usually its just the spring lenght or not much more parameters, but some cars have much different steerin rod lenght, or suspension geometry, which makes wheels point in any direction they want and the car is driving like it was drunk... noone will say its realistic. so its better compromise to make a workaround to game's limitation, rather than trying to go through the wall... because you rather see a rally where drives will be allowed to make small adjustment-service on the car, without replacing damaged parts, than marshalls forcing drivers to load gravel setup on tarmac and force them to drive with 120cm ride height... biggrin

anyway, small of topic in terms of road section repairs: do you remember argentina 1998? smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: So Jan 20, 2019 17:27    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Workerbee - thanks for the excellent news! Now I am really looking forward to even test the NGP 6 wink
Keep up the good work smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Jan 25, 2019 20:31    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Hi again! Do you think it will be possible to implement this into NGP somehow?

This is an old video I found somewhere ...
https://youtu.be/4cHS64NAQlw?t=66

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Jan 25, 2019 21:25    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

jendabek hat folgendes geschrieben:
Hi again! Do you think it will be possible to implement this into NGP somehow?

This is an old video I found somewhere ...
https://youtu.be/4cHS64NAQlw?t=66

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Not very convincing. I don't see the car actually losing a wheel.
I mean you don't see the "lonely" wheel lying on the ground.

So this may be some kind of fake. The wheel may just be located below the mesh.

Anyway, losing the wheel is not the problem if The Bee would implement it.
The problem is how would you actually REPAIR it ???
None of the current online plugins knows anything about a "wheel lost damage".
Simple as that.
And, be honest, how often would you watch your replays where you wrecked your car ?
I do not waste weeks of modding time just for a few crash pilots to have seven seconds of fun.

"Wow, the car lost its wheel ... cool ... ok, let's start over."

Basically it is a miracle that NGP does indeed work seamlessly with every online plugin out there.
Because it is very well integrated in RBR.

Before I implement something new, first I have to think about whether it will be handled properly by all plugins.
This is quite some limitation sometimes ...

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Jan 25, 2019 21:58    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

But it would be very nice if you can loose a wheel in a tournament and you would need to take care of them in order to finish.

Sometimes cutting some corners i am 120% sure i would rip it off in real life, lets just think about neuvile in monte 2017, solberg and gronholm 2005, and many many more smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Fr Jan 25, 2019 22:46    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Please don't get me wrong, I am so happy for those amazing features you bring to RBR and I really don't want you to waste your time on anything more which is not important.
I was just curious if such thing like breaking the wheel could even be realized somehow, because I believe it would be an additional step in the term of realism, even if you cannot see the actual lost wheel model (you wouldn't see it anyway from the cockip and replays are not so important I think). I just believe it would be quite fun & challenging to drive such damaged car through the stage to finish it, like in reality smile

I know the tournament plugin doesn't support "lost wheel" item, but maybe it could be just displayed like "wheel damage: 100%" and if you repair it, you would get it back... for example...?

BUT - I really don't want you to bother with this now as whole community (including me) cannot wait for releasing NGP 6, which should be the only priority for you.
As I said - I was just curious what do you think about this.

Thank you! smile

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Sa Jan 26, 2019 09:01    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

anbarra hat folgendes geschrieben:
But it would be very nice if you can loose a wheel in a tournament and you would need to take care of them in order to finish.


Sorry, but with an AWD it would only require a monkey to get the car to the finish after losing (only one "o") a wheel.

We already have excessive suspension damage, e.g. if the top mount is 100% damaged, a 2WD car becomes almost undriveable.

No matter the damage, an AWD car is not a challenge at all.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Sa Jan 26, 2019 13:03    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

selbst wenns keine challenge ist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONn0FBNNltk

hier war die rallye vorbei. in RBR fährst weiter mit leicht schiefer geometrie smile aber ich bin schon mal raus aus der diskussion smile ich bin wieder der böse

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anbarra hat folgendes geschrieben:
in RBR fährst weiter mit leicht schiefer geometrie

Selten so gelacht.

Aber immer jammern, wenn in RBR doch mal was kaputt geht, von wegen "unrealistisch" und so.

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Nein, nur ein unverbesserlicher Klugscheisser.
Das Leben wird Dich schon noch einbremsen, keine Sorge. wink

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Sa Jan 26, 2019 22:59    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

That lost wheel topic ended up little depressive Rolling Eyes

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Feb 18, 2019 20:11    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

WorkerBee, Lada 1600R value handbrake 5000000 is too small, it is necessary to 15000000. By the way, the same applies to Renault 17 Gordini.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Feb 18, 2019 21:26    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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WorkerBee, Lada 1600R value handbrake 5000000 is too small, it is necessary to 15000000. By the way, the same applies to Renault 17 Gordini.


Maybe a little too weak, but still you can lockup the wheels (if you are patient). wink

But triple the value ??? No way.

Anyway, no changes planned in NGP5.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Feb 18, 2019 21:48    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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But triple the value ??? No way.

Anyway, no changes planned in NGP5.


can at least double to 10000000 at NGP6? wink

PS by the way in Fiat 125P value is 15000000, and he's in the same class with Lada Rolling Eyes
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Feb 20, 2019 15:49    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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can at least double to 10000000 at NGP6? wink

PS by the way in Fiat 125P value is 15000000, and he's in the same class with Lada Rolling Eyes


You never give up, do ya ? wink

Another solution I could think of is to reduce the value of the Fiat 125P to 5000000.

That's only fair ! biggrin

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Feb 20, 2019 16:43    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

WorkerBee hat folgendes geschrieben:


You never give up, do ya ? wink


Yep biggrin

WorkerBee hat folgendes geschrieben:
Another solution I could think of is to reduce the value of the Fiat 125P to 5000000.

That's only fair ! biggrin


Ok 7500000 (and not a cent less) biggrin , as well as that of Skoda 130 RS biggrin biggrin
 
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Ok 7500000 (and not a cent less) biggrin , as well as that of Skoda 130 RS biggrin biggrin


If we go on negotiating like that, NGP6 will never be finished. lol

Never mind, we will have completely new brakes anyway, and to keep tradition alive, default setups will be shitty as usual. cool

And no, there will be no DLCs you would ever have to pay for. Just something that comes to my mind ...

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Feb 20, 2019 19:49    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I have a proposal for you, let's work out a single table, for example

class up to 1000 cm3 - 5000000
class up to 1300 cm3 - 7500000
class up to 1600 cm3 - 10000000
class up to 2000 cm3 and more - 15000000

And then the confusion and endless disputes will disappear.
 
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theSaint hat folgendes geschrieben:
I have a proposal for you, let's work out a single table, for example

class up to 1000 cm3 - 5000000
class up to 1300 cm3 - 7500000
class up to 1600 cm3 - 10000000
class up to 2000 cm3 and more - 15000000

And then the confusion and endless disputes will disappear.


I've not been confused. Or better say, now I am confused.
So, what is the technical background of your proposal ?
Doesn't make sense to me at all. sad

Why should a 2000 cm3 car have 150 bar brake pressure, compared to a 1000 cm3 car with only 50 bar ?

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Feb 21, 2019 02:00    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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Why should a 2000 cm3 car have 150 bar brake pressure, compared to a 1000 cm3 car with only 50 bar ?


and what is the rationale for 50 bar in 1600 cm3 Lada 1600R, Renault 17 Gordini and VW 1302 S, and in 1300 cm3 Skoda 130 RS and Skoda 130 LR have 75 bar? Despite the fact that in 1600 cm3 Fiat 125P in general 150 bar.

Why 1600cm3 Lada 1600R - 50 bar and 1600 cm3 Lada VFTS - 100 bar? Given that, in general, these two machines were technically similar.
 
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You have not answered my question.
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Feb 21, 2019 09:42    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

WorkerBee hat folgendes geschrieben:
You have not answered my question.


because so your cars have 2000 cm3 and more - 150 bar brake pressure. And for 1000 cm3 I even exceeded, you have 35 bar at Wartburg, and Fiat 126P has 20 bar at all, which is basically enough. But for 1600sm3 50 bar is not enough, you need 100 bar as in the Lada VFTS, or at least 75 bar, then the car’s handling becomes acceptable.

I just want to understand the algorithm why you give some cars an overestimated value (Fiat 125P), and others underestimate (Lada 1600R, Renault 17 Gordini, VW 1302 S). And trying to offer a more balanced solution.
 
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I just want to understand the algorithm why you give some cars an overestimated value (Fiat 125P), and others underestimate (Lada 1600R, Renault 17 Gordini, VW 1302 S). And trying to offer a more balanced solution.


The point is that obviously sometimes I did not estimate the values correctly.

As I said before, NGP6 will have new brakes. No need to estimate.

You are riding a dead horse. wink

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Feb 21, 2019 13:34    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

you make me curious. Will you give us a preview?

What's new?
What's your schedule?
Is there anything we can do to help you?

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Do Feb 21, 2019 16:06    Titel: International NGP (Next Generation Physics) Plugin Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

There will be lots of new and exciting things in NGP6.

Most important, NGP6 will have the bestest physics of all. biggrin

Just a few days maybe.
Development is frozen, but I am finalizing a few cars which takes more time than expected, although I am working like "A Bee" ...

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